Interior

GMarty · Post by **GMarty** » Thu Sep 13, 2007 1:47 pm

I'm considering an interior upgrade this year and I'm wondering if anyone has removed the lovely veneer wood-like look Bertram put in the FBC. What's the process and how much work? Thoughts on replacement material? I cant look at it any longer - its the only thing that makes my boat look old (classic is good - old is not). Thanks

IRGuy · Post by **IRGuy** » Thu Sep 13, 2007 7:02 pm

GMarty... I am about to start a complete rebuild of the cabin in my '83 FBC.. I don't have much of the imitation oak Formica, just the fwd bulkhead. I would like to talk one on one with you sometime to see what you are planning and what materials you will be using. I plan on going right to the inside of the bare hull on the sides, and replacing the whole cabinet assembly on the stbd side. Will probably leave the headliner in place. Also need to do major surgery on the aft bulkhead, as there is rot and delamination from the bottom all the way up to the window on the port side, and less on the stbd side. I don't have any built-in furniture, and will probably buy some wicker stuff after I am done. Frank B - IRGuy@aol.com "Phoenix" 1983 FBC Wilmington, NC

captgene · Post by **captgene** » Fri Sep 14, 2007 5:43 am

I peeled a small square of the Oak veneer off in the Port corner of the aft bulkhead to see how hard it was to get off. Forget it. Replace the the whole thing with either marine ply and a veneer you like or ????? All my Oak trim sanded well and I refinished it. The Oak veneer cabinets should be replaced with real wood. The rest of it , I don't know. Wood and I don't work well together. And I can't afford to have somebody do the rest of it right now. Gene Dugan Boca Raton, Fl. "Nauti Marie" 1989 33 FBC

GMarty · Post by **GMarty** » Fri Sep 14, 2007 6:08 am

Frank, I'll send you an email once I get a better plan. I dont think I would go with that woood look though. I'm thinking more modern looking perhaps white with wood trim. I need honey's input on this one. I like the look of Syd's SF interior. I'll look at some newer boats and get some ideas that way. Input here would be appreciated. Having had had the cabinets out for the repower I dont see repalcing them as too big a deal. I put in corian counters already so i'm good there but committed to no changes in configuration. Counter wasnt cheap. I guess I'm curious if I could just pull out the port side wall altogether and start over? That would be ideal. So, does that mean I need to tear the cabinet / counter apart on the forward port? I like that set-up and would rather refinish - thats why I want to know if tearing is do-able. I dont care if takes time, I got a few boys that fish on my boat who are helping me - like it or not. That would leave the the bulhead and there I cant see any way around peeling. Mine is fine and I dont want to rip it apart.

IRGuy · Post by **IRGuy** » Fri Sep 14, 2007 6:13 am

From what I can tell my cabin cabinets are not original, and look pretty much poorly home made. In fact they are junk. I plan on replacing them with plywood carcasses and solid wood face frames. The panel against the port side will most likely be veneered plywood, and the aft bulkhead (which will be torn apart from the inside due to internal rot and delamination) will be covered with either veneered plywood or just veneer. I plan on building the cabinets in modular removable sections, so I can have full access to the port side of the engine room (with no built-in furniture on the stbd side I already have that there). I am leaning toward using mahogany solid wood and veneer. Easy to find, price is not too bad (have you priced teak lately?), and I have worked quite a bit with mahogany in the past. I am concerned about having so much wood it will seem too dark inside, although I won't use a particularly dark stain. With this in mind I am considering using some light colored formica type laminate in place of some of the veneer. Comments please? Frank B - IRGuy@aol.com "Phoenix" 1983 FBC Wilmington, NC

IRGuy · Post by **IRGuy** » Fri Sep 14, 2007 6:17 am

GMarty... While I was typing my note above you were posting yours it appears. Would like to talk with you and get your ideas. If you can drop me a note with a phone number I can call you. No need to fill this space up with so many questions and comments. Frank B - IRGuy@aol.com "Phoenix" 1983 FBC Wilmington, NC

Post by **dougl33** » Fri Sep 14, 2007 7:39 am

Properely prepped, I think you could paint right over the old wood-grain veneer. I'm pretty sure that's what Al did. He painted his white (several coats) and it came out looking great. Its got to be easier than peeling it off. Regards, Doug L. 1986 33 Bertram FBC Queen Elizabeth Marblehead, MA [img]http://www.bertram33.com/photogallery/p ... sabeth.jpg[/img]

IRGuy · Post by **IRGuy** » Fri Sep 14, 2007 7:50 am

Doug.. Correct! Al painted over some of his formica and it looks as if it was professionally done! I personally am not thrilled with having to paint too much of the interior, but it is not out of the question. Decisions, decisions! Frank B - IRGuy@aol.com "Phoenix" 1983 FBC Wilmington, NC

Post by **dougl33** » Fri Sep 14, 2007 8:08 am

Seeing as you'd have to put a finish on what ever it is you put in anyway, you'll save yourself a step or two by just painting the old stuff. Regards, Doug L. 1986 33 Bertram FBC Queen Elizabeth Marblehead, MA [img]http://www.bertram33.com/photogallery/p ... sabeth.jpg[/img]

GMarty · Post by **GMarty** » Fri Sep 14, 2007 8:56 am

How does one prep veneer?

jav · Post by **jav** » Fri Sep 14, 2007 9:28 am

If you guys don't mind the input of a non Bert owner, I recently redid my whole interior. IMHO, painting over veneer works and can look nice, but I'm finding it doesn't hold up well. After one season, I'm getting some blisters mid panel that I don't like and can't explain (properly prepped). It also scratches and scuffs easier than other applications. In the pic below you can see numerous applications including fabric covering, formica veneering, vinyl wall covering, oak veneering and Corian coverage. All of these are hoilding up better than paint. BTW- the Oak veneer was the iron on type and so far, I'm impressed with ease of installation, finish up take and how it's holding up... in fairness- only time will tell but so far so good. [IMG]http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee23 ... G_9328.jpg[/IMG]

Post by **dougl33** » Fri Sep 14, 2007 9:40 am

quote:Originally posted by GMarty How does one prep veneer? George, Hopefully Al will chime in. I know I had the outside formica veneered bulkhead painted this spring. I washed with a scotch brite pad and simple green, then sanded with 400 grit, then vacuumed. Frank Price wiped the surface down prior to painting (though I'm not sure what he used). It came out great. John, Your interior looks good. Of course you're right, any painted surface has the abilty to be scratched, but its still got to be easier than ripping off the old veneer and starting from scratch. How are you posting your pics? The site's hosting function has not been working. Regards, Doug L. 1986 33 Bertram FBC Queen Elizabeth Marblehead, MA [img]http://www.bertram33.com/photogallery/p ... sabeth.jpg[/img]

jav · Post by **jav** » Fri Sep 14, 2007 9:44 am

I just place the pic's URL inside images tags... I hope thats OK- I don't want to violate any forum rules.

Mike T · Post by **Mike T** » Fri Sep 14, 2007 9:47 am

Doug, right mouse click on the picture he posted, then click on "properties", my guess is he's using photobucket dot com.

Post by **dougl33** » Fri Sep 14, 2007 12:34 pm

You're correct Mike. Regards, Doug L. 1986 33 Bertram FBC Queen Elizabeth Marblehead, MA [img]http://www.bertram33.com/photogallery/p ... sabeth.jpg[/img]